Friday, February 9, 2018

Period 11 Blog #16


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A Flapper Who Called Great Neck Her Home


ALTHOUGH F. Scott and Zelda Fitzgerald lived on Long Island for only a year and a half, they are one of the area's most celebrated couples. They are remembered as glamorous symbols of Jazz Age extravagance. They are also remembered for their great talent.
Scott's short stories earned him wealth during his lifetime, and his novels, especially ''The Great Gatsby,'' secured him literary prestige after his death. Zelda's talent was less recognized in her time but much more multi-faceted. She wrote both short stories and a novel and became a proficient ballet dancer. She also had a third creative outlet -- painting -- that is often overlooked.
That talent is showcased in a new exhibition, ''Flappers in Fashion: Zelda Fitzgerald & the Jazz Age,'' at the Long Island Museum of American Art, History and Carriages in Stony Brook. The show incorporates an exhibition of 54 of Zelda's paintings. But also on display are many photographs, documents and artifacts from the early 1920's, when the Fitzgeralds were part of a literary and Broadway crowd that lived in Great Neck.
The Fitzgeralds moved to 6 Gateway Drive in Great Neck Estates in October 1922, two years after Scott, then 26, gained fame for his first novel, ''This Side of Paradise.'' Zelda, who was then 22, was known best as the inspiration for her husband's flapper heroines, although she was also developing skills as a short-story writer.
Some of the exhibition's artifacts relate directly to the Fitzgeralds, like a silver-plated hip flask that Zelda gave to Scott during World War I. To evoke the free-wheeling Fitzgerald lifestyle, the museum has recreated a Jazz Age party with period furnishings and mannequins in a setting loosely based on the Fitzgerald’s living room.
Zelda began painting when she was 25; her work appeared in several exhibitions throughout her life, but received little attention. Her paintings in the show range from depictions of life of the 1920's to ones with religious themes, created in the 1940's. She died in 1948.
''Her pictures don't necessarily fit into the category of impressionism or realism but somewhere in between, both real and dream-like,'' said Joshua Ruff, the museum's history curator. ''She had a wonderful sense of color, these lush tones of coral, pink and blue that really tie in with the colorful clothing styles of the Jazz Age.''
The couple’s high-living antics could often be disconcerting for Zelda. ''She was a bit overwhelmed by the huge hordes of people she entertained,'' Ms. Cline said. ''It was both quite exciting and quite tense-making.''
When the Fitzgerald’s left Great Neck for Europe in 1924, Zelda began to pursue her own creative careers more diligently. She studied painting in Capri in 1925; her husband had just written ''The Great Gatsby,'' set in a fictionalized version of Great Neck. Two years later, back in the United States, Zelda began intensive training in ballet. Her interest in dance would eventually have an influence on her artwork. ''The figures in her paintings truly leap and move…and there's this elongation of the feet and hands that brings to mind the way muscles are used in dancing.''
In 1930, Zelda suffered her first breakdown. Diagnosed as schizophrenic, she underwent treatment in a series of mental institutions for the next 18 years. She wrote her only novel, ''Save Me the Waltz,'' while a patient at the Henry Phipps Psychiatric Clinic in Baltimore in 1932, but painting became her foremost pursuit.
''Her painting at this time was very useful to her as an artist because she was able to try new techniques, and very helpful in boosting her low self-esteem because she was able to work at something she was good at,'' Ms. Cline said.

Zelda died in a fire that destroyed Highland Hospital in North Carolina, where she was then institutionalized. The fire also destroyed many of her paintings. Scott died of a heart attack in 1940, while writing ''The Last Tycoon,'' his novel about Hollywood.
While Mr. Ruff believes Fitzgerald's artwork has aesthetic merit on its own, he also views her paintings within a psychological context. ''There is an almost anguished look to be found in these pictures,'' he said. ''Not just that but a mixture of optimism and anguish that matched her own experience at the time.''


-Compare and contrast Zelda’s troubled life with that of the fictional troubles of Daisy Buchannan.  What is similar about their lives and struggles and what is different?
-Zelda and her husband were both artists in their own right; she was a painter and he was a writer. But why do you think that she was never famous for her art the way that her husband was for his?

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  1. In the book The Great Gatsby the character Daisy Buchannan struggles with many things that other women in the 1920’s had struggled with. Just to start off with the long list of problems, women couldn’t do many things that men could. For instance, men could have better jobs than women, had more jobs that were considered to be “masculine”. Not only that, but men went to better school than women, got degrees easier than women, and got to basically have whatever job that they desired to have. Women, to put it bluntly, had it pretty rough. They were expected to basically marry rich and simply become stay at home wives. Not only that, but, for example, if their husbands cheated on them or abused them, they couldn’t simply go out and get a divorce. While Daisy’s husband was abusive and also cheated on her, Zelda’s husband on the other hand, did not. But, Daisy was not able to get a divorce or even escape his abusive tendencies. Not only that, but she simply ignores the fact that he cheats on her and instead pretends to be dumb.
    Zelda, unlike her husband, was an artist. She painted and created beautiful paintings, while he wrote books and stories. Despite the fact that they were both creating beautiful work, she did not become famous for her work, while her husband did. The reason being for this was because women simply weren’t seen in the same respect as men. They were seen as beneath men, not someone who could be talented or famous in the same aspects that a man could be. It’s sad, seeing just how famous she could have been due to her art. Her and her husband both could have been quite famous for what they were producing, but instead she didn’t become famous. Not only that, but she did in fact write a book as well. This book being written while she was in a mental institution, after being diagnosed with schizophrenia. It’s sad to think that Zelda was not recognized for being an amazing artist simply because of the fact that she was not the opposite gender. Which also goes to show just how different things are now.

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    1. I think this is very well written. In my response I didnt get into dept with the rights that women had. Living in the 20's must have been rough for women. I also think Zelda created beautiful paintings. I think that she should have recieved alot more recognition than she did for her creativity and skills.

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  2. Q) Compare and contrast Zelda’s troubled life with that of the fictional troubles of Daisy Buchanan. What is similar about their lives and struggles and what is different?
    Zelda’s life was told to be like Daisy’s a bit and that Daisy was inspired by Zelda, but between these two there are not that many similarities as we would expect. Zelda was happily married to a writer and was also a painter herself and a bit of a writer too, but she was also diagnosed as schizophrenic which lead her to under go treatment in medical institutions for 18 years. Zelda later died in a fire which destroyed mainly of her paintings. Daisy wasn’t happily married, her husband is cheating on her and having an affair with a married woman!! Daisy though is rich and owns her own mansion in East Egg.


    Q) Zelda and her husband were both artists in their own right; she was a painter and he was a writer. But why do you think that she was never famous for her art the way that her husband was for his?
    The reason why I don’t think Zelda’s artwork was able to help her get famous unlike her husband’s writing is due to the society and social standards they lived around during that time. In the 1920’s women weren’t able to have that much ability and rights as men, they were seemed as lower classed and men were seen as upper class, therefore made her have a disadvantage since she was a lady. It’s a shame that women had to be looked upon like that back then and sometimes now still! Another reason why Zelda’s artwork and writings weren’t well known or famous is probably due to the fire that not only destroyed the artwork and writings but also took Zelda’s life as well away.

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    1. I agree with your answer when you said that “another reason why Zelda’s artwork and writings weren’t well known or famous is probably due to the fire that not only destroyed the artwork and writings but also took Zelda’s life.” Her paintings are full of so many bright colors; however, looking at the images, some of the people in the paintings look extremely sad, confused, and others look dead and without any life in them. Perhaps, these paintings illustrate a picture of her mental state; her fears, sadness, worries, torments and depression.
      I wish the fire would have never taken place, so that everyone would be able to see and appreciate these paintings in a gallery today.

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    2. I agree with your statement saying “Zelda’s artwork and writings weren’t well known or famous is probably due to the fire that not only destroyed the artwork and writings but also took Zelda’s life.” Her paintings are full of so many bright colors; however, looking at the images, some of the people in the paintings look extremely sad, confused, and others look dead and without any life in them. Perhaps, these paintings illustrate a picture of her mental state; her fears, sadness, worries, torments and depression.
      These paintings were her life and all of it was thrown away due to an accident and forgotten by many in this generations. it is sad that over time Zelda will not even be know for by her beautiful work.

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  3. Some of the similarities of zelda and daisy of the book and real life are they ar both successful in many ways and are really smart but some of the stuff that are troubled with are that they can't really do that many kind of things during those times because they were women and were forced to stay home and do nothing. The differences are that zelda inspiration for heroines for best known for the husband she also after that she started to make paintings and she made a lot of them but her husband made the same or more but got more credit then her wife zelda because of that. The difference of daisy is that she had to live like a dumb person even though she was smart and knew what was going on in the world and she had struggle to get through of what she had to go to since she couldn’t do anything about that. Zelda struggle is that she had to do alot of stuff to get where she was and all that stuff went away when she died. The difference between these to is that zelda did more things than daisy because in the book she didn’t do anything since she was a women and was forced to stay home and take care of her daughter.
    The way that scott was more famous for the writing that he did instead of the stuff that zelda painted is because back then in the 1920’s a lot of women didn’t have the rights that men had back then they just looked up to men more than they did women since they thought men were the only ones who were greater than anyone else back then and they had control over a lot of what women did probably not over zelda but the women that sat home they had more stuff to say about those things in that period which why scott got more famous for the stuff that he did then paintings that zelda did back then in the 1920’s until later on in the world.

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  4. In the article Zelda and Scott Fitzgerald are talked about. The article explains their careers and their talents. They were both writers but Scott was more popular for his writing than Zedla was. Zelda was good at painting as well, she also danced. Zelda’s paintings were different than others, people were not used to it because it was different and new. Zelda was not highly praised for her paintings back then, she is more popular today for them as in our century difference is liked. Zelda like Daisy was underappreciated for her work. Daisy does alot for her husband and it never goes noticed.
    In the old days, women did not have the same rights as men. They had only one job which was to attend to the household and family. Women usually did not write books and create paintings. When they did as you can see in Zelda’s case, they did not get very popular for it. If a man would have done the same things as Zelda they would have got a lot of popularity for it, because it was great work, and different with new ideas.

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  5. Zelda’s troubled life, and the fictional trouble life is very different. The actual troubles was that he was very poor, and he could not do anything about it. But, in his fictional trouble is was that he could not find anyone to love him.The real trouble was really bad. But, love comes later, you don't need it to survive. You need money to survive though. This is just one example of this. I also don't think she was famous for her art because nobody picked up on it. Nobody realized what it meant, or how it related to life. That's why she was not as famous as her husband.,

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  6. In the book The Great Gatsby the character Daisy Buchannan struggles with many things that other women in the 1920’s had struggled with. Just to start off with the long list of problems, women couldn’t do many things that men could. For example, men could have better jobs than women, had more jobs that were considered to be “masculine”. Not only that, but men went to better school than women, got degrees easier than women, and got to basically have whatever job that they desired to have. Women, to put it bluntly, had it pretty rough. They were expected to basically marry rich and simply become stay at home wives. Not only that, but, for example, if their husbands cheated on them or abused them, they couldn’t simply go out and get a divorce. While Daisy’s husband was abusive and also cheated on her, Zelda’s husband , did not. But, Daisy was not able to get a divorce or even escape his abusive tendencies. Not only that, but she ignores the fact that he cheats on her and instead pretends that she doesn’t know it’s going on, she acts like the abusive doesn’t happen, I believe she’s more ashamed than embarrassed of what has gone on.

    Zelda and her husband were both artists in their own right; she was a painter and he was a writer. But
    The reason why I don’t think Zelda’s artwork was able to help her get famous unlike her husband’s writing is due to the society and social standards they lived around during that time. In the 1920’s women weren’t able to have that much ability and rights as men, they were seemed as lower classed and men were seen as upper class, therefore made her have a disadvantage since she was a lady. It’s a shame that women had to be looked upon like that back then and sometimes now still! Another reason why Zelda’s artwork and writings weren’t well known or famous is probably due to the fire that not only destroyed the artwork and writings but also took Zelda’s life as well away.

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  7. Zelada and Daisy are alike in some way because Daisy is most disappointing character in the story by the way they have describe her. Zelada can relate in many ways because her husband basically had the most attention out of the two. Everyone knew her husband work but never hers she had many talents that it was sad that many of us did not see it. They both have to struggle because they were not heard out by the people they love. The difference is Zelada did have a marriage which went fine but Daisy did not because her own husband would go out and cheat on her behind her back. Many women did not have the same rights as men did during this time. It was more for a man to get recognize than it was for a woman. Since everyone attention was towards her husband it was harder. Zelada work was different but no one thought art was a big thing during the 1920’s. But women and man were treated different completely that is something sad that occur but at the end she should have the same equal attention as her husband it is sad til the end she did get credit for the work she has done.

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  8. Comparing and contrasting Zelda’s troubled life with that of the fictional troubles of Daisy Buchannan there are some similarities and differences among these women. Some of the similarities that I see are that both women are beautiful, married with children, and struggling with gender inequality and discrimination in the early 1920’s. In addition, Zelda and Daisy are both emotionally unstable. Zelda is struggling with schizophrenia spending many years of her life in and out of a mental institution, and Daisy is mentally confused between two lovers; Tom and Gatsby.
    The differences between Daisy and Zelda are that unlike Zelda, Daisy is ambitious, fool, popular and wealthy. On the other hand, Zelda is active, a writer, dancer and a painter.
    Zelda and her husband were both very talented. They were both artists in their own way. She was a painter and he was a writer. Zelda began painting when she was 25 years old. Her work appeared in several exhibitions throughout her life, but received little attention. Her paintings in the show range from portrays of life of the 1920's to ones with religious themes. She also wrote both short stories and a novel and became a proficient ballet dancer. Zelda was never famous for her art the way that her husband was for his because in her time women were discriminated and treated unfairly. Women couldn’t vote, have the right to keep their job if they got married or pregnant, work night shifts or over time, sit on a jury in most states, have their own names printed on passports, and have certain kinds of jobs; just to name a few.

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  9. I think Zelda and Daisy both are in a time period where it was the stereotype of how women are in the kitchen cooking and taking care of the household where the men are most likely working all say. Zelda in some way reminds me of Jordan Baker because she can’t exactly be famous because she’s a woman and back in that time woman being famous wasn’t really a “big deal” for the time period. Zelda almost seems like she is kind of in the limelight but only by her husband’s fame.

    Zelda i do not think is aloud to be as famous because, once again, her and her husband’s lifestyle was in the nineteen twenties and back then women weren’t really aloud to be that famous. Zelda’s husband was a famous hit because his book was a hit and he was a good writer for the time and he was a successful male. Also while being a writer, there are publishers and his book is being put all over the black in many places, while Zelda only has painting to offer which don’t distribute in the same was as a writer with his books.

    Artist even today find it hard to publish their work. Even with today’s social media and advertisement it is still hard for artist to get out there with their art work. So Zelda did not really have the best advantage for her time period and her choice of career.

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    1. I agree with you Makayla in the writing. Women were not able to be famous like the men. Women didn’t have a voice and had to be in the house.

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  11. In this passage that i read there were Two women that were married to men. One of the woman's name was Zelda. She was a milti-profesion person. She wrote short stories, and novels. She wasn't just into the writing field she also loved to paint. She was a good painter but that usually was overlooked. She also was very good at ballet dancing. There is also another woman named Daisy. She she is very similar to Zelda. They both lived rich and wealthy lives. They both were born into the wealth. They did not need to work hard for it like one of the men that was in the passage. His name is scott. He worked hard for his money, he worked to support his family that he loved very much.there was another man in this passage that was completely different then scott. He was abusive towards his family and he was born into wealth. This man's name was tom. The only thing that scott and tom had in common was there wealth the and they both have a family. The other things are completely difference between tom and scott is, racist and abusive while scott is down to earth and loveable. Another similarity between zelda and daisy is they both rely on their husbands for money and they are gold diggers. They don't start to get known for there skills until they die.

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  12. Some of the similarities of zelda and daisy of the book and real life are they ar both successful in many ways and are really smart but some of the stuff that are troubled with are that they can't really do that many kind of things during those times because they were women and were forced to stay home and do nothing. Women usually did not write books and create paintings. Men could have better jobs than women and would have more credit than the women.They were expected to basically marry rich and simply become stay at home wives. They couldn’t do anything that the men didn’t like but men could do something to the women and it would be fine. Some of the similarities that I see are that both women are beautiful, married with children, and struggling with gender inequality and discrimination in the early 1920’s. Zelda and Daisy are both emotionally unstable. Zelda is struggling with schizophrenia spending many years of her life in and out of a mental institution, and Daisy is mentally confused between two lovers; Tom and Gatsby.

    Zelda wasn’t as famous as her husband for many reasons. The reason being for this was because women simply weren’t seen in the same respect as men. They were seen as beneath men, not someone who could be talented or famous in the same aspects that a man could be. This is sad but it was how society was in the 1920s. In today times women have a lot more rights then back in the day. The women that sat home they had more stuff to say about those things in that period which why scott got more famous. It’s a shame that women had to be looked upon like that back then.

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  13. Zelda had a good life because she married scott fitzgerald.zelda started painting at 25 and some of her paintings were shown in art exhibits but got very little attention. A majority of her painting show more of the life in the 1920s like religious themes.while Daisy is a hurtful women who is married to man who abuses her in many ways he can. Zelda was famous for her paintings but the most attention was from her husband scott because he wrote about the times they lived during the great war and living in the 1920s while zelda only painted about religious themes which at the time was not important to many people because all they cared about was money having goods owning a big house for your family etc. daisy was normal who didn't do anything but was born to wealth and married to wealth. Both zelda and daisy are women and both had struggles in their lives. Zelda was an amazing artist with beautiful paintings tho not famous scott was because of his writing skills which impacted many people because the roaring 20s was a big party. The way that scott was more famous for the writing that he did instead of the stuff that zelda painted is because back then in the 1920’s a lot of women didn’t have the rights that men had back then they just looked up to men more than they did women since they thought men were the only ones who were greater than anyone else back then and they had control over a lot of what women did probably not over zelda but the women that sat home they had more stuff to say about those things in that period which why scott got more famous for the stuff that he did then paintings that zelda did back then in the 1920’s until later on in the w

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  14. Daisy and zelda are very similar because daisy is the most disappointing character, according to what the book tells. On the other hand, the relationship is too related in some aspects for example, the husband does not have the same, other things that have in common is the life of many luxurious things he has since he married men who have money. One of the differences they have is that their marriage got married and everything was fine in their marriage and the daisy got married, believing that she would love her forever but the infidel behind her

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