Friday, March 9, 2018

Period 4/5 Blog #20


Why I Believe That Jay Gatsby Is A Black Man
August 25, 2000
Carlyle V. Thompson
Assistant professor of American and African literature at Medgar Evers
College, United States

Jay Gatsby, F. Scott Fitzgerald's opulent playboy hero, was a black man. Fitzgerald litters his novel with signifiers that suggest Gatsby to be black, although he "passes" as white. In The Great Gatsby, he is frequently described as "pale", as is his car: "It was a rich cream colour, bright with nickel, swollen here and there in its monstrous length" Yellow is a great signifier in Afro-American discourse to suggest miscegenation and racial passing. Here, Fitzgerald is also playing with the symbolic status of the car and with stereotypical images of blackness. Why does he do this? Why are there so many clues?
I have looked at similar themes of racial tension in works of Charles Waddell Chesnutt, William Faulkner and others. Gatsby has 40 acres: 40 acres and a mule are traditionally given to ex-slaves; he is associated with New Orleans and "black" jazz music; he trims his hair everyday - suggestive of African hair.
And he tells Nick Carraway that his family is dead. The word 'dead' is significant in that those light-skinned black individuals who choose to try and pass for white in society become symbolically dead to their families.
Fitzgerald was writing in the jazz age, a time of eugenics and the rise of white supremacy. He had already written on the threat of "the negroid that creeps northwards". Fitzgerald's racial anxieties shape the novel. A book popular in Fitzgerald's time, “The Rise of the Coloured Empires,” is cited by one of the novel's characters, Tom Buchanan, early on. The novel then explores (traditionally) the search for The American Dream.
There is one open discussion of race in the novel, where Tom insinuates Gatsby is a "black" individual, but Jordan defends him saying: "We're all white here." Jordan, however, is known as a liar: another hint.
More than that, every time we see black individuals -- such as “the three modish negroes, two bucks and a girl” in the limousine, or the “pale well-dressed negro” who describes the yellow car that hit Myrtle Wilson -- we see Gatsby or Gatsby has just left. Not to mention, the color yellow also suggests the term “high yellow,” which is a signifier for black individuals who pass as white.
Importantly Gatsby is identified as a "bootlegger.” Bootlegger means counterfeit, and here Fitzgerald implies that Gatsby was racially counterfeit. The narrative constantly whispers the presence of blackness. In my paper, "The Tragic Black 'Buck': Jay Gatsby's 'Passing' in F. Scott Fitzgerald's The Great Gatsby,” I wanted to make people read a favorite book as they had never read it before.
My audience was skeptical at first, but they have been reviewing the evidence. A CNN "quick vote" poll showed that 15 percent of voters agreed with me that Gatsby was black.
I would like to see Denzel Washington or Laurence Fishburne, not Robert Redford, playing Jay Gatsby and dancing with Daisy.

Your comment must be at least 370 words. Due by Tuesday 3/13 at 11:59pm. Your reply to a classmate is due Thursday 3/15 at 11:59pm.
-In our reading so far, how have you pictured Gatsby in your head?
-What do you think of the authors argument here? Do you believe he has some sound evidence?
-If Jay Gatsby really is supposed to be a black man, how does that change the significance of the book?
-Consider the time period this was written in and that Gatsby is from West Egg and therefore seen as “other” or “less than” the people of East Egg. What about the fact that it seems society is determined to keep him from achieving his American Dream. Do these considerations reinforce the idea that Gatsby may be a black man?

21 comments:

  1. In my reading so far, I’ve pictured Gatsby as a white male, because there wasn’t any hint that he was colored. Of the authors argument, I didn’t really suggested anything because while I was reading the book. It didn’t really say much about a person’s ethnicity. It only talked about how people use to dress back in the 1900s. Mostly about women. If Jay Gatsby really is supposed to be a black man, how does that change the significance of the book? If Gatsby was suppose to be a black man, It wouldn’t really change much about the significance of the book but how the characters in the book think/treat each others. The plot of the story would change base on how they acted towards each others. In the time period this was writing, it shows that Gatsby is from west egg and people from west egg is new money, while people from East egg is only money, so that has a lot of reason how the characters in the story acts. Keeping someone from achieving their dream, can mean a lot of things. In america, not alot of race have the power unless they’re white, Gatsby could be any race, for society to keep him from achieving his dreams.

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    1. i agree how we both think he is a white man but i think we have our differences because i believe he was a black man most of story would probably be different.

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    2. I agree with your response I also did think Gatsby is a white male. And it explained how people used to dress and act in the 1900s, if he was black there probably would've been lots of racism towards him.

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  2. By reading the great gatsby so far i have pictured all of the characters to be white. There were no hints that any of them were colored. I have pictured gatsby to be a very tall, white man, who has dark black thick hair, very buff like muscular, and dressing very nice. I think the authors argument it doesn't really describe what gatsby looks like. It mainly focuses on how people in the 1900s would dress and act and how they were in general, but It mainly focuses on women's dressing. If gatsby was black it most likely would affect the whole entire book. It could have changed the entire book because they would have treated gatsby completely different and he would have treated people differently because that is how things were in the 1900s. Black people were treated a lot different than white people back then but thankfully that is different in today's day.

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    1. that is true with all the characters being white. that's all i imagined also.

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    2. it does focus on the 1900s dressing and focuses of the general atmosphere of the 1900s. everyone was white in the book with not hint of black.

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  3. What we read so far in "The Great Gatsby" I though Gatsby and the other characters in the book were white. There were no hints that anyone was black. Usually people back in those times the whites usually were rich. Not many blacks were. The author really didn't give any clues and if he did then I miss it. In the 192o's everyone dresses a certain way and were listening to music like jazz. So that really isn't a hint. The author really didn't describe what Gatsby looked like. The description he gave could of been a white or black man. He never gave skin color. I think it would make a difference in the book if Gatsby is a black man. I would look at it in a different way. For a black man to be rich and respected in the 1920's that must of took a lot of hard work. It was even harder back then for them. It wouldn't change how the east side thinks of the west side. The east side is old money where they have always had money and the west side is where they just came into money. It doesn't matter if you are black or white.

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    1. I said the same thing. There wasn't any clues that he was black nor did they talked about anyone being black in the novel. When we read the book it told us that it was in the 1800-1900s and that's all.

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  4. In the book,I pictured Gatsby to be a white male. There is no indication that is a black male. So I saw the movie and Leo is white so I assumed that Gatsby is white. Honestly I think that the authors really don’t have a argument here. They assume things that some parts of the novel is wrong. Like when they wrote that Jordan that said we are all white here. They said that it wasn’t true and how she is a liar. When she said that she was with Tom and Gatsby together. It was a pretty intense scene where Everything was going down. I don’t think that she would really make a lie here or tell a joke. If jay Gatsby were a black man I think that really wouldn’t change anything because race was really a big part of this book. So i think it would be the same but I think Tom is going to use that as a point of why Daisy wouldn't like him or he didn’t something or him using his race as to say he did something horrible to get his money. I think that the fact he is from East Egg doesn’t mean he is black. He said it himself that he wasn’t rich and he didn’t have any money when he met daisy and we know how he got his money and what he really does. He got money and lived in West Egg. If he had the chance he would in East Egg so he is even closer to Daisy. He probably couldn’t since a lot of people already live there. Also I think that all the east egg people are just annoying and ric. So of course they are going to think that everyone is below them and less of them.So in the book Gatsby wasn’t really known to the pubic other than hosting realyy large parties. He did it for Daisy to come over but if people knew he was black i beileve they would still go to the paties anyway. In the 1920s or in the past black people were treated horribly and most of their jobs were to serve the white male. It is even show in the movie taht most of the servants are black so I think Gatsby doesn't mind having black servants just like a white male at the time

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  5. While we have read The Great Gatsby i have visualize Gatsby as a stocky White Guy. In the book it doesnt say his actual skin tone. AT this time period set in the book, I fell like Black people dont have that much money to live in West and East egg.

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    1. Nick I think that you have the shortest and best response out of all of us. I also believe that Gatsby is a white man and not a black man. Also I brought up the point that a black man wouldn't live in west or east egg.

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  6. Austin MacClemmy

    Yes i was able to picture Gatsby in my head. To me he looks like a well trimmed man, that always has a fresh cut. He has to look on the top of his game at all times. The authors giving great reasons why we should think Great Gatsby is black. He gives very well sounding and well worded reasons why. He backs his reasons up with things that actually seem to be true. If he was actually supposed to be black it would change the whole plot of the story. If he was black i think there would be a large amount of racism towards him. There would be no one to keep his side. He might not even been rich. In those days blacks were slaves. Yes if he was black it would of made it a lot more worse then it is now. Gatsby would be treated terribly.

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  7. So far since we have been reading the great gatsby i have been picturing gatsby as a white male. And the argument is that he thinks that gatsby a black male i mean i don't believe in actually what he is saying because just theres like little pieces in the book that can relate to a black man doesnt mean he is. There is no actual proof that he is black and also in the movie gatsby is being played by a white man. And no significance would be changed because he is not black. Also in this time period people are still more discriminated if you are black and if gatsby was black during this time period he probably wouldn't of been dating daisy back then because she a rich white female. And he probably wouldnt have a mansion all these parties and stuff because life was harder for a black man back then.

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    1. i agree with you in the opinion of Gatsbys skin color and how there isnt much proof to say that he is black.

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  8. In the reading so far I pictured Gatsby, a white, tall male, buff with black hair and very wealthy. I imagined all the characters white because back then long time ago all whites were mostly rich. The authors argument doesn't really describe how gatsby looks like. It mostly talks about how people used to dressed back then and how they would act in the 1900s. In the book it said that Gatsby would have lots of parties and that his parties are one of the biggest ones out there and he was obviously rich. Back then blacks were treated differently and they weren't really rich. If he was black i feel like there would be a lot of racism towards him. He probably wouldn't even have a mansion and parties almost every weekend if he was black.

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  9. So far along in the reading, I imagine Gatsby to be a white man with nice flowing hair and a clean shave. During this time period most wealthy people were white. While everyone is entitled to their own opinion, I dont think there is substancial evidence to prove that Gatsby is black. He is portrayed as a white man in the movie. While there is the fact that people of color werent thought to be of equal social class and thought of as not having the same rights as white people, i think Gatsby was thought less of simply because he was of new money and people thought he didnt know how to act.

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  10. -In our reading so far, how have you pictured Gatsby in your head?
    So far i have pictured gatsby as a tall , white rich private school prep looking type of guy. Almost like the type who shows money because he can. Nothing in the book claims or hints he is black or white.
    -What do you think of the authors argument here? Do you believe he has some sound evidence?
    Yes i believe he has some evidence but i still believe that gastby is a white man regardless what this man writing that article has to say

    -If Jay Gatsby really is supposed to be a black man, how does that change the significance of the book?
    I think nothing will change regardless white or black why does it matter? Your race doesn't label you, so no i don't think the significance of the book would change
    -Consider the time period this was written in and that Gatsby is from West Egg and therefore seen as “other” or “less than” the people of East Egg. What about the fact that it seems society is determined to keep him from achieving his American Dream. Do these considerations reinforce the idea that Gatsby may be a black man?
    Him being looked at as an “other” doesn't make him black, living on west egg everyone was looked at as a other because they have new money so east egg looked at them different , just because you are a certain race doesn't make you a other or less than anyone else. Anyone and anything can be labeled as “other”,

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    1. I agree with you because I just don´t think Gatsby is a black man

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  11. So far in what I read, I believe Gatsby is a white person because if he was colored they would've wanted it. In the book it doesn’t talk about anyone's ethnicity just the story of Gatsby. I don’t believe in the thesis of the professor saying he's a minority because it would hint at it if he was. The argument doesn’t detail about how Gatsby looked like in the book and how he acted but he did focus on how blacks were treated back then and how people acted and dressed. The book would be a lot different because of how minorities were treated back then and how life was like. It would also change how Gatsby was so rich because back then most black people lived in the Valley of Ashes in the book. That would be a major difference because he was trying to win Daisy over with his money, parties, and house.

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  12. The image that I have about Gatsby in my head already of what we have read is that he is a high class man who has been a bootlegger and had done that so he could get the money in which he has so he could impress and try to get Daisy one day by being right across from her where he used to be a poor man but got a lot of money from doing what he did. I think that the authors argument is a good one I think he does have some sound evidence about what is going on since he wrote the book he would go into the details about happened. If Gatsby is a black guy In the book it changes the significance of the book because back then people were still racist about stuff like that and since Tom is racist it would not be good because he would be mean to Gatsby when he meets him and doesn’t seem to like him since he is black. No I don't think that what has happened because anyone could make the American Dream if they tried but the situation that he is in about getting Daisy and achieving all of what he wants to do to make it the perfect way that he wants it he would probably achieve the American Dream if you tried and did what he needed to do but he has tried and he thinks that it probably won’t work out for him since how it has worked out from Daisy coming over to his house and him trying to get her to be impressed by showing her his house and other stuff. I think he might be black since that it seems in the readings that I have read it has some evidence that he is probably black and it seems that he is so because he couldn’t be white since of the book saying that he has to be black since of what has happened in their and saying that he was a bootlegger and that people would say that because he was black and then would say other stuff about the stuff he did to back it up.

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